Dems are unified. They believe no one should ever be deported, for any reason, whatsoever. Trump closed the border in a matter of weeks, and for a moment, Dems seemed to want to memory hole all 10 million new arrivals, like Covid. "Border trouble? That doesn't ring a bell?"
Then, inexplicably, Dems went to bat for Mr. Garcia, a gang member /wife beater, who was caught people trafficking, when Biden refused to allow such crimes, to be charged. When inadvertently deported to his nation of origin, Dems had Garcia's back, in a way few American citizens have ever been supported by Congressional members. An entire Congressional delegation flew to El Salvador, on the taxpayer dime, to assure the Prince was well treated.
When Mr. Garcia's obvious and numerous crimes became too much of an embarrassment even for Dem zealots, Dems lost his number, like it was the morning after a bad collegiate hookup.
Dems moved on, to protest at a 4 star private NJ ICE Detention Center. The Center contains some violent migrants, and others convicted of a multitude of crimes, but that fact is of little interest to Dems. They are entrenched for their cause, to the point of physically attacking ICE employees. Meanwhile, in NJ, a little better than 1/3 of kids can read and write at grade level and crime runs rampant. The airport now has reliability, similar to many in the 3rd World.
Soon, Dems will ridicule Trump's EO that Americans pay no more for prescription drugs than our European cohorts. Just as the stock market rebounds and tariff deals are coming together. In the last 24 hours, the tide has turned for Trump. Dems only answer has been to screech, "don't you dare deport anyone" at the top of their lungs, or to sing about the plight of murderers and rapists, returned to their native lands. Dems seem entirely devoted to deportation resistance, as the centerpiece of the midterm campaign, but they might want to consider how it will play in Peoria.
I'm watching the Democrats storm the ICE Facility in New Jersey where criminal illegal aliens are being held. I can't figure out how they think this will win voters over.
As bleak as it may look for the Dems right this minute, I don't think it's a good idea to throw up your hands quite yet. November 2026 is a long way away.
Furthermore, Democrats in far-flung areas are starting to regroup and come together to support new candidates and new platforms to combat the extremists on the right. I'd recommend taking a look at columnists such as Jess Piper and reading their stories.
I disagree that they mean nothing. If nothing else, the numbers are an indication that the Dems are becoming re-energized. If the end result is a revitalized Democratic Party with an updated platform, so much the better.
You need to expand outside your base to win anything. Yes, the rabid progressives are for you, but what about working men and women? And an updated platform in what respect? Specifically.
Kamala also drew big numbers. As we learned, it was all hype, totally inorganic and inauthentic. I could be wrong, but the whole Bernie/AOC platform feels eerily similar. America isn’t socialist…we’re not going to vote for socialists.
The Dems stupidly ceded the working class vote to Trump’s populism…he is demonstrating a new approach to economics and foreign policy based not only on ‘peace through strength’, but also ‘peace through trade’. It may not work, but it makes simple sense…and I’m not sure it even has to work given the weakness of the Democrats. If it DOES work, which we should all root for, Dems are screwed…for a long time to come.
And good lord, stop biting every time Trump baits you. He literally defines the news cycle by trotting out little stories…potential ‘scandals’…that make you all hyperventilate and flip out of a week, all while he stacks up wins that make you look very small. For example, today he’s delivered a low inflation number, freed the last American hostage from Hamas, inked a $600B Saudi investment in America, reset trade relations with China….and you all are freaking out about a jet that he has no intention of actually accepting. You’re being played for fools.
Their entire platform for the last 10 years has been fighting right wing ‘extremists’. That isn’t the problem. They need to regroup and combat the extremists to their left. That’s the only way they can dig themselves out of this. That they don’t see this is incredible to me.
Mr. Baharaeen has done TLP's readership a favor in reminding it of a fact that many of the posters here constantly forget, which is that neither Trump, nor the Republicans, nor the Democrats are that popular. The supermajority (60+%) of the country does not identify with either political party, and Trump's popularity is about on par with Biden's. (read: awful)
MAGAWorld and Trump partisans (including the ones here) think the last election was some kind of resounding endorsement of Trump and MAGA, when there is far more evidence that it was an anti-establishmentarian vote, as it has been for the last three presidential elections.
Trump and the GOP *is* the establishment now and the overreach has already begun. In four years when Vance or whoever has to face the voters, he'll have to explain away why the establishment party stood by while its leader engaged in brazen out-in-the-open corruption, why the U.S. dollar is dying, why China is still an industrial powerhouse, and why manufacturing hasn't returned. (which it most certainly won't with tariffs changing by the hour)
MAGA mis-steps and overreach plus a new face of the party was enough in 2020--it will be more than enough in 2024 if MAGA's line of thinking is "The Dems are a dead party, no one likes them, we shall rule forever, it's in the bag" while 60+% of the country is telling them "Yeah, but we don't like you either, and what have you done for us lately?"
The internals of these polls expose the game. People who voted for Trump account for about 1/3 of the sample. Given that the popular vote was 50/50, any statistician who was interested in accuracy would have a sample that would reflect the reality of the voting public.
And I have to keep reminding you guys. You have to stop relying on the WORST, MOST INEFFECTIVE POLLSTERS EVER for your Trump "polls." Baris has him up. Rasmussen has him up over 50 at 53%. Other accurate pollsters in 2024 have him up.
But even beyond that---and this is not an argument---through three election cycles, Trump always polls above even the more accurate pollsters, and about 3 points above the bad ones. (Anyone remember "Trump will lose Ohio" in 2016? Yeah. Good times.).
Again, more voter registration data out yesterday. Observation after observation. All go in one direction. Democrats are losing, Rs are gaining. Yesterday Rs had a big net gain in DELAWARE. The only place they've stopped the bleeding (barely) is in PA where there are Democrat primaries going on.
So the two don't compute: people leaving the Democrats in record numbers while Trump's popularity is "falling?" No. Go with accurate pollsters. Trump is over 50 and when the tariffs and this drug order go into effect, he probably won't get lower than 60 again.
Triple down on Trans athletes in women’s sports, Trans criminals in women’s jails, DEI, the Free Palestine cult, Green New Deal, open borders, and defunding the police. In short - let progressive kooks call the shots for another elections defeat.
Trump’s unpopularity will do a lot of the legwork for them, but 2028 will be a challenge when turnout is high if they don’t have their act together. Plus, they can’t blame Trump forever (no matter how bad/unpopular) and use him to ignore how out of step culturally they are with the median voter.
I'm not a Trump fan however in 2028 will vote R over any D. I can't stand Newsom, but he's trying hard right now, issuing laws, etc, to get homeless camps removed. Putting lots of taxpayers $$ to work. I do think the idea for the mentally ill & drug addicted to be forced into mental health care vs jails is a good idea for up to a year --- I'm not sure if it's actually been put into action, but it's backed by Newsom. CA as a state is a disaster - well, imnsho
The Democrats need a policy agenda. Perhaps Abundance or Industrial Policy. Right now the agenda is the Whack A Mole noted in the article which means it is defined by Trump.
In 2025, Democrats are in need of the intervention they now seek to impose, politically, upon Sen. John Fetterman.
No one benefits, at least for long, from the American public's growing disdain for and distrust of critical institutions like government, the media, education and more. But those most hurt are the ones whose support has already fallen to the lowest levels, and that special dishonor is owned by the Democratic Party. Until it confronts that reality, it lives with it.
Similar to many people who are either independent voters or people who will vote for either party, I'm always looking at ways one of our parties is promoting good ideas. Ultimately I care less about which party I'm voting for than if their policies will do well for our country.
I'd love for the Democratic Party to compete with the New Right for better ways to promote domestic manufacturing and conduct massive deportation in a humanitarian way. If we could also reform campaign finance, raise wages, and institute a method of universal health care and housing I also wouldn't mind. I mean there is plenty to do, just not a will to do it.
Robert Grayboyes writing in Persuasion today offered up some suggestions on how the Democratic Party could at least get their message across without driving voters further away. For years Democrats have been the party of "we hate the other guys" and often enough the other guys being hated are fellow Democrats. Check it out at https://www.persuasion.community/ It's called Persuasion beats Abrasion.
A hundred and some days into an administration is not a good reading on his programs. He has shocked the world and of course his ratings will go down. However the results of those actions have to be read over the next months. Already, this the latest polls were taken, there is much that is positive that has occurred. So patience people, patience.
Love him or hate him, one can’t argue that Trump is a man of action…he’s done more in 3 months than Biden did in 4 years…it’s quite possible he’s accomplished more in the last week than Biden did in 4 years.
It remains to be seen whether the results will pan out, but that’s ok. In just the last week…final American hostage freed from Hamas, framework of a new trade relationship established with China, trade deal signed with the UK, historic EO on prescription drugs, $600B of investment in America signed with Saudi Arabia, cease fire reached between India and Pakistan, ongoing meeting with Iran on denuclearization, pushing Zelenksy and Putin to the negotiating table…a recovering stock market and slowing inflation...
This is ALL IN THE LAST WEEK! Literally the last 7 days.
I’m not sure it even matters, but I suspect Trump’s poll numbers will begin to recover.
And while all of this is happening, Democrats are storming ICE detention centers on behalf of felons, are storming university libraries on behalf of Hamas, are continuing lawfare to prevent executive action by Trump, and are attempting to gaslight the American people into thinking they didn’t cover up the ineptitude and diminished faculties for Joe Biden. Lacking a leader, they are letting the right define them. The best they can come up with is to line up behind avowed socialists for some semblance of leadership. The inmates are running the asylum and there is no governing principle, let alone a leader, to restore order.
I like TLP because you all discuss this openly and honestly/objectively. Happy to pay for my subscription. I just don’t know what the Dems do at this point. They need their own Trump moment/movement/leader. Blow the whole thing up and build anew.
Trump will continue to struggle and it could be worse as the economy slows. Nonetheless, Democrats cannot be passive to the hardship this causes many Americans. They need to put forward challenging ideas. It does not need to happen immediately but needs to be much more vigorous before the midterms.
Returning an authoritarian demagogue to the pinnacle of power after Jan. 6th is beyond disgraceful. The country is only beginning to reap the whirlwind. Our Experiment is failing, and it's not the Democrats' fault. It's the principles the country was founded on that matter, more than the country itself. If we choose a Venezuelan future, it's because we abandoned our principles and we will deserve it.
Dems are unified. They believe no one should ever be deported, for any reason, whatsoever. Trump closed the border in a matter of weeks, and for a moment, Dems seemed to want to memory hole all 10 million new arrivals, like Covid. "Border trouble? That doesn't ring a bell?"
Then, inexplicably, Dems went to bat for Mr. Garcia, a gang member /wife beater, who was caught people trafficking, when Biden refused to allow such crimes, to be charged. When inadvertently deported to his nation of origin, Dems had Garcia's back, in a way few American citizens have ever been supported by Congressional members. An entire Congressional delegation flew to El Salvador, on the taxpayer dime, to assure the Prince was well treated.
When Mr. Garcia's obvious and numerous crimes became too much of an embarrassment even for Dem zealots, Dems lost his number, like it was the morning after a bad collegiate hookup.
Dems moved on, to protest at a 4 star private NJ ICE Detention Center. The Center contains some violent migrants, and others convicted of a multitude of crimes, but that fact is of little interest to Dems. They are entrenched for their cause, to the point of physically attacking ICE employees. Meanwhile, in NJ, a little better than 1/3 of kids can read and write at grade level and crime runs rampant. The airport now has reliability, similar to many in the 3rd World.
Soon, Dems will ridicule Trump's EO that Americans pay no more for prescription drugs than our European cohorts. Just as the stock market rebounds and tariff deals are coming together. In the last 24 hours, the tide has turned for Trump. Dems only answer has been to screech, "don't you dare deport anyone" at the top of their lungs, or to sing about the plight of murderers and rapists, returned to their native lands. Dems seem entirely devoted to deportation resistance, as the centerpiece of the midterm campaign, but they might want to consider how it will play in Peoria.
I live on the Border. I own property in Mexico. You are clueless.
The Democrat party has nothing. They will be defeated during the midterm elections and either JD or Marco will be our next president
I'm watching the Democrats storm the ICE Facility in New Jersey where criminal illegal aliens are being held. I can't figure out how they think this will win voters over.
They wont!
Blah, blah, blah.
Is that your response?
As bleak as it may look for the Dems right this minute, I don't think it's a good idea to throw up your hands quite yet. November 2026 is a long way away.
Furthermore, Democrats in far-flung areas are starting to regroup and come together to support new candidates and new platforms to combat the extremists on the right. I'd recommend taking a look at columnists such as Jess Piper and reading their stories.
What a joke --- the dems are so out of touch --- they sent bernie and aoc out to drum up support !
They drew a crowd of 30,000 in Folsom, CA and 20,000 in Utah. Those aren't insubstantial numbers.
Remember Beto O 'Rourke --- most people don't ! And yeah those 30K and 20K mean nothing
I disagree that they mean nothing. If nothing else, the numbers are an indication that the Dems are becoming re-energized. If the end result is a revitalized Democratic Party with an updated platform, so much the better.
You need to expand outside your base to win anything. Yes, the rabid progressives are for you, but what about working men and women? And an updated platform in what respect? Specifically.
Kamala also drew big numbers. As we learned, it was all hype, totally inorganic and inauthentic. I could be wrong, but the whole Bernie/AOC platform feels eerily similar. America isn’t socialist…we’re not going to vote for socialists.
The Dems stupidly ceded the working class vote to Trump’s populism…he is demonstrating a new approach to economics and foreign policy based not only on ‘peace through strength’, but also ‘peace through trade’. It may not work, but it makes simple sense…and I’m not sure it even has to work given the weakness of the Democrats. If it DOES work, which we should all root for, Dems are screwed…for a long time to come.
And good lord, stop biting every time Trump baits you. He literally defines the news cycle by trotting out little stories…potential ‘scandals’…that make you all hyperventilate and flip out of a week, all while he stacks up wins that make you look very small. For example, today he’s delivered a low inflation number, freed the last American hostage from Hamas, inked a $600B Saudi investment in America, reset trade relations with China….and you all are freaking out about a jet that he has no intention of actually accepting. You’re being played for fools.
Their entire platform for the last 10 years has been fighting right wing ‘extremists’. That isn’t the problem. They need to regroup and combat the extremists to their left. That’s the only way they can dig themselves out of this. That they don’t see this is incredible to me.
Mr. Baharaeen has done TLP's readership a favor in reminding it of a fact that many of the posters here constantly forget, which is that neither Trump, nor the Republicans, nor the Democrats are that popular. The supermajority (60+%) of the country does not identify with either political party, and Trump's popularity is about on par with Biden's. (read: awful)
MAGAWorld and Trump partisans (including the ones here) think the last election was some kind of resounding endorsement of Trump and MAGA, when there is far more evidence that it was an anti-establishmentarian vote, as it has been for the last three presidential elections.
Trump and the GOP *is* the establishment now and the overreach has already begun. In four years when Vance or whoever has to face the voters, he'll have to explain away why the establishment party stood by while its leader engaged in brazen out-in-the-open corruption, why the U.S. dollar is dying, why China is still an industrial powerhouse, and why manufacturing hasn't returned. (which it most certainly won't with tariffs changing by the hour)
MAGA mis-steps and overreach plus a new face of the party was enough in 2020--it will be more than enough in 2024 if MAGA's line of thinking is "The Dems are a dead party, no one likes them, we shall rule forever, it's in the bag" while 60+% of the country is telling them "Yeah, but we don't like you either, and what have you done for us lately?"
The internals of these polls expose the game. People who voted for Trump account for about 1/3 of the sample. Given that the popular vote was 50/50, any statistician who was interested in accuracy would have a sample that would reflect the reality of the voting public.
And I have to keep reminding you guys. You have to stop relying on the WORST, MOST INEFFECTIVE POLLSTERS EVER for your Trump "polls." Baris has him up. Rasmussen has him up over 50 at 53%. Other accurate pollsters in 2024 have him up.
But even beyond that---and this is not an argument---through three election cycles, Trump always polls above even the more accurate pollsters, and about 3 points above the bad ones. (Anyone remember "Trump will lose Ohio" in 2016? Yeah. Good times.).
Again, more voter registration data out yesterday. Observation after observation. All go in one direction. Democrats are losing, Rs are gaining. Yesterday Rs had a big net gain in DELAWARE. The only place they've stopped the bleeding (barely) is in PA where there are Democrat primaries going on.
So the two don't compute: people leaving the Democrats in record numbers while Trump's popularity is "falling?" No. Go with accurate pollsters. Trump is over 50 and when the tariffs and this drug order go into effect, he probably won't get lower than 60 again.
Triple down on Trans athletes in women’s sports, Trans criminals in women’s jails, DEI, the Free Palestine cult, Green New Deal, open borders, and defunding the police. In short - let progressive kooks call the shots for another elections defeat.
Trump’s unpopularity will do a lot of the legwork for them, but 2028 will be a challenge when turnout is high if they don’t have their act together. Plus, they can’t blame Trump forever (no matter how bad/unpopular) and use him to ignore how out of step culturally they are with the median voter.
I'm not a Trump fan however in 2028 will vote R over any D. I can't stand Newsom, but he's trying hard right now, issuing laws, etc, to get homeless camps removed. Putting lots of taxpayers $$ to work. I do think the idea for the mentally ill & drug addicted to be forced into mental health care vs jails is a good idea for up to a year --- I'm not sure if it's actually been put into action, but it's backed by Newsom. CA as a state is a disaster - well, imnsho
The Democrats need a policy agenda. Perhaps Abundance or Industrial Policy. Right now the agenda is the Whack A Mole noted in the article which means it is defined by Trump.
In 2025, Democrats are in need of the intervention they now seek to impose, politically, upon Sen. John Fetterman.
No one benefits, at least for long, from the American public's growing disdain for and distrust of critical institutions like government, the media, education and more. But those most hurt are the ones whose support has already fallen to the lowest levels, and that special dishonor is owned by the Democratic Party. Until it confronts that reality, it lives with it.
One more footnote on polls. Here is NV. Trump at 52%
https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1921683652800393491?t=-tutU6f5NAXdDW2swqeRUg&s=03
Similar to many people who are either independent voters or people who will vote for either party, I'm always looking at ways one of our parties is promoting good ideas. Ultimately I care less about which party I'm voting for than if their policies will do well for our country.
I'd love for the Democratic Party to compete with the New Right for better ways to promote domestic manufacturing and conduct massive deportation in a humanitarian way. If we could also reform campaign finance, raise wages, and institute a method of universal health care and housing I also wouldn't mind. I mean there is plenty to do, just not a will to do it.
Robert Grayboyes writing in Persuasion today offered up some suggestions on how the Democratic Party could at least get their message across without driving voters further away. For years Democrats have been the party of "we hate the other guys" and often enough the other guys being hated are fellow Democrats. Check it out at https://www.persuasion.community/ It's called Persuasion beats Abrasion.
A hundred and some days into an administration is not a good reading on his programs. He has shocked the world and of course his ratings will go down. However the results of those actions have to be read over the next months. Already, this the latest polls were taken, there is much that is positive that has occurred. So patience people, patience.
Love him or hate him, one can’t argue that Trump is a man of action…he’s done more in 3 months than Biden did in 4 years…it’s quite possible he’s accomplished more in the last week than Biden did in 4 years.
It remains to be seen whether the results will pan out, but that’s ok. In just the last week…final American hostage freed from Hamas, framework of a new trade relationship established with China, trade deal signed with the UK, historic EO on prescription drugs, $600B of investment in America signed with Saudi Arabia, cease fire reached between India and Pakistan, ongoing meeting with Iran on denuclearization, pushing Zelenksy and Putin to the negotiating table…a recovering stock market and slowing inflation...
This is ALL IN THE LAST WEEK! Literally the last 7 days.
I’m not sure it even matters, but I suspect Trump’s poll numbers will begin to recover.
And while all of this is happening, Democrats are storming ICE detention centers on behalf of felons, are storming university libraries on behalf of Hamas, are continuing lawfare to prevent executive action by Trump, and are attempting to gaslight the American people into thinking they didn’t cover up the ineptitude and diminished faculties for Joe Biden. Lacking a leader, they are letting the right define them. The best they can come up with is to line up behind avowed socialists for some semblance of leadership. The inmates are running the asylum and there is no governing principle, let alone a leader, to restore order.
I like TLP because you all discuss this openly and honestly/objectively. Happy to pay for my subscription. I just don’t know what the Dems do at this point. They need their own Trump moment/movement/leader. Blow the whole thing up and build anew.
Trump will continue to struggle and it could be worse as the economy slows. Nonetheless, Democrats cannot be passive to the hardship this causes many Americans. They need to put forward challenging ideas. It does not need to happen immediately but needs to be much more vigorous before the midterms.
Returning an authoritarian demagogue to the pinnacle of power after Jan. 6th is beyond disgraceful. The country is only beginning to reap the whirlwind. Our Experiment is failing, and it's not the Democrats' fault. It's the principles the country was founded on that matter, more than the country itself. If we choose a Venezuelan future, it's because we abandoned our principles and we will deserve it.