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Brent Nyitray's avatar

The logic on the left seems to be that we don't have to vet anyone coming in, but we have to vet every single illegal alien going out.

The left / media seems to think that if they put enough sob stories on TV, it will change public opinion enough to let everyone stay. I don't think that is the case.

The zeitgeist of the No Kings rallies seems to me to largely based on Boomer nostalgia for the 1960s. Makes sense, they are the only ones who watch mainstream media TV in the first place.

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MG's avatar

Update: Raid on Omaha meatpacking plant.

Turns out this was an identity theft investigation and still plenty of Dems here don't see the problem. Here's a short synopsis in our paper today (which is a shocker, since the paper mostly presents the issue as 'they're lovely people just here to work and kids are crying' stories).

Among the identity theft victims are a disabled person in Texas who struggled to access Social Security disability payments due to a Glenn Valley Foods employee’s fraudulent use of his identity, Roman said.

One victim was denied medically necessary prescriptions in Pennsylvania after the person’s name and Social Security number were used by a Glenn Valley Foods employee to gain health care benefits, she said.

According to Roman, a Glenn Valley Foods employee fraudulently used the identity of a Missouri nursing student, causing the student to lose access to college tuition assistance because they were falsely reported to make too much money. She said the same student also struggled to renew their driver’s license because the person who used their identity had multiple unpaid traffic violations.

A California victim, Roman said, worked “for nearly 15 years to regain their identity and fix the financial damage” resulting from a Glenn Valley Foods employee’s use of their information.

Roman said the investigation is still ongoing.

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Jgb's avatar

Thank you for pointing this out. 💯 true. There is just no end to the disingenuousness of journalists today. I worked in the field of criminal justice for decades and saw firsthand the destruction of lives caused by identity theft. The thieves also steal the identities of deceased children which is devastating to families when they learn about it.

The idea that the business owners are heartbroken to lose employees who “are like family members” is disgusting. They are heartbroken to lose underpaid and exploited workers and if they cared one iota for these people, they would assist them in getting green cards.

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Val's avatar

But if they had green cards, those same employers would have to offer them better pay….

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ban nock's avatar

My wife found out a couple weeks ago via her experian rating that someone had been using her ID. She couldn't correct it as someone had changed her contact phone and email. The local police had her file a police report in case there were other issues, such as SS payments, taxes, credit cards, etc.

The police report brought up the person's real name and address. Hispanic fellow living in CA.

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MG's avatar

Sounds like a nightmare. Something else that is never pointed out is that producing and selling forged documents is a criminal enterprise as well!

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Jgb's avatar

Exactly. And I’m so sorry for what your wife is going through.

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Mark Gerboth's avatar

You have hit the nail on the head. It is not enough to be against something; you need to articulate that you are for what the majority of Americans want. I’m sick at the thought that the next election will be yet another case of “pick the least bad candidate,” because all anyone is running on is “I’m not as bad as that other guy/gal.”

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John Olson's avatar

Yes, "Vote for me because the other guy is worse" is the political equivalent of the good cop-bad cop maneuver, except that both of the cops are pretending to be your ally when neither of them is.

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Centex's avatar

As if Obama wasn’t bad enough, the Biden administration put the final nails in the Democrat electoral coffin. From (1) running (and covering up for) a demented candidate/President to (2) opening up the Southern border to (3) favoring criminals over law-abiding citizens to (4) embracing crazy social policies like DEI to (5) supporting trans interventions for children, the Biden “politburo” managed to alienate every American with eyes, ears, and common sense. They did these things while relentlessly lying to the public about what was really happening in the country. I don’t like everything Trump is doing, but I disagreed with many more of the actions taken under Biden. For the above reasons, I will never vote for a Democrat at any level again.

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Jim James's avatar

"No Kings" was somewhere between pathetic and funny. They are preaching to the converted, and their lingo is really offputting. Do they have any idea of how self righteous they are? Good God, they're like a bunch of televangelists in their own way.

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Richard's avatar

I am sure you noticed how old, white and female the demonstrators were. It was all the usual suspects. No Kings has been tried before. One favorite conservative meme involved photoshopping Obama's face into a portrait of Louis XVI. It didn't work then either.

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John Webster's avatar

A question for anyone who reads my comment here. Is there any concrete data available yet to corroborate the ancedotal observations that the June 14 protestors were disproportionately older, white, and female? I recently enraged a very left-wing retired journalist by citing those anecdotes; his position is that the nationwide protests were very demographically diverse. I replied that if history is a guide, then the protestors at any left-wing demonstration would largely be what I now call the Wokesters: mostly white, older, and female.

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Richard's avatar

Statistics would be the job of the media. LOL. I looked at a lot of media feeds of the demonstrations which I assume used camera angles and such to magnify the size and diversity of the crowds. The real tell was the video from Detroit. Very few blacks in the crowd in a city that is 75% black. The crowd looked like they had come in from Ann Arbor but there was another demonstration there. Maybe they came over from Windsor which actually does have a king.

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John Olson's avatar

Whether or not you like Trump, whether or not you approve of his actions against illegal immigration, he is doing something about the problem. All the Democrats do about the problem is call Trump names.

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Larry Schweikart's avatar

I would STRONGLY caution against constantly referring to RCP polls, most of which were awful in 2024. Remington and Rasmussen just two days ago had Trump at 56 and 54%. APPLY THE "POLLS ALWAYS UNDERSAMPLE TRUJMP" and you're looking at 56 to 60% here, right where I said he'd be by year's end.

Second, Trump's policies on deportations are extremely popular, and non-spoogie polls show it.

Third, I've been wading in the weeds of voter registrations for over two years. Democrats are in heap big trouble. Forget the 1.05 MILLION shift nationally to the GOP since November. If I was a Democrat I'd be eating Tums over what's happening in Kollyfornia, where over a million voters (read, "over 500,000 Democrat voters") have been purged. But it now looks like there are another 1.5 million early votes under suspicion. At any rate, it still---after almost a month---isn't clear if Los Angeles CO. has come in with these purge numbers. If not, double that. Already Rs gained a net of 250,000 in Kollyfornia. Added together, this is a minimal shift of over 500,000 and entirely likely it hits 1 million net gain.

This is very serious stuff. Not only are we talking state and local elections, but major redistricting census problems. NOW APPLY THE DEPORTATIONS, and by 2026, you might add another 200,000 or so to the Rs' net gains. On top of all that, the slush money from USAID slowly is being cut off.

So tweaks on a few issues, playing "Like Trump, but not as much" won't do a thing to turn the tide. Democrats have a very fundamental VIOLENCE problem and Walz's recommendation was to get "mean." Yep. That's the ticket.

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J. Butler's avatar

Thank you for debunking the No Kings protest.

Meanwhile in the afterglow of No Kings, we've got incantations from the left that if a protest grows to 12 million people (3.5% of America's population), we will have reached a tipping point whereby change will be inevitable.

That's based on research by Erica Chenoweth that when 3.5% of a nation's population shows up in a non-violent protest, that change must follow. But her research involved 3rd World countries in the Global South. Nevertheless, this vital bit is ignored by those in thrall to the supposed power of protests in 21st century America, as well as those employed in the protest-industrial-complex.

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George Phillies's avatar

Some readers will recall how popular support, in the South, for segregation, was more than 3.5% of the country's population, and where that got them.

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Bob Raphael's avatar

It is clear that the Democrat party puts out no policy on any of the issues. They simply criticize everything that king Trump does. They go to court sometimes they win sometimes they lose. But they never put out any alternatives ! In all seriousness, if you ask somebody what Donald Trump and the Republican stand for on particular policy issues, you will get an answer. Perhaps it is an answer that you don’t like. But ask somebody what the Democrat policy is and all you will get is what it isn’t. Let Chevelle democrat leaders stand up and take on any five issues with Donald Trump has taken a position or is hinted at a position and ask them if they agree with it a simple yes or no will do. When it is no the follow-up question should be what is your policy, and you will probably get blank looks or a lot of word salad

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Ronda Ross's avatar

Before Dems worry about new policies , they need to correct their current mistakes. Anti Trump marches seem of limited value , when the Math becomes known to most Americans. Dems are ignoring the financial reality of 10 million low skilled, sparsely educated migrants living in a high cost of living nation, the same way they ignored the costs of Climate Change.

The WSJ today has a story on migrant healthcare costs. As an example, IL assumed it would cost roughly $110 million dollars, annually, to provide healthcare to the IL undocumented between the ages of 42-64, only. The actual cost is $800 million dollars annually, for only IL migrants of those ages. The assumptions were off by a factor of 8.

Extrapolate those costs nationally, to most migrants of all ages , over years, and billions turn into trillions, very quickly.

Dems asked Americans if they were concerned about Climate Change. Most said yes, and Dems assumed that concern included any amount of taxpayer spending, Dems deemed necessary. It turns out most Americans are not willing to spend more than $100 bucks annually, to save the planet.

Someone needs to ask Dems, demanding all non violent migrants remain in the US permanently, how much they are willing to spend annually, in perpetuity, to support the 10 million people Dems just waved into the US . It has nothing to do with ethnicity or a lack of ambition. Most migrants simply lack the skills and education to generate enough income to feed and shelter themselves, let alone provide healthcare, no matter how hard they are willing to toil. My money is on the same $100 bucks annually, Americans are willing to shell out for Climate Change.

Eventually Reps will explain immigration is a financial issue , not a diversity one. When that time comes , Dems need a better answer than their current policy, that all non violent criminals are welcome.

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Mark Kuvalanka's avatar

Spot on, as usual Ruy. But, no matter the message change and no matter what the Dems try to sell us, CAN WE TRUST DEMOCRATS? In 2020, they sold us Biden as the moderate and the uniter who turned hard left after getting elected. Was it Biden himself or the Presidency by committee that went hard left? Open borders letting in millions of illegal, unvetted, and unvaccinated migrants into our country disrupting and destabilizing our cities. Loan forgiveness for millions of Americans who signed loan contracts. Bidenomics that ravaged the lower and middle classes. Men in women's sports. And there's more, but why say it? We all know what happened. So, no matter what the Dems do, CAN WE TRUST DEMOCRATS to serve the American people and not the globalists and big corporations who give and give and give to the Democrats? I am an unaffiliated voter who voted for Obama twice because I couldn't trust Republicans.

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Erica Etelson's avatar

One thing that makes many Dems feel justified in this tack is the belief that the 2017-2020 "resistance" (which looked a lot like today's resistance, complete with diaper baby Trump blimps) successfully bested Trump in 2020 and achieved modest gains in 2018 and 2022 midterms. Whenever I critique the obsessive focus on the bad orange man I get people telling me that it worked and that we just need to turn the dial from a thousand to ten thousand.

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Rock_M's avatar

It worked because people hadn’t yet seen how badly the Democrats would govern. Now we know

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Up From The Slime's avatar

"Democrats look like a party that took for too much for granted: that Black voters would continue to vote for them at near-unanimous rates, that Hispanics and Asian American voters were solidly in their coalition rather than often being swing voters, that Gen Z voters (particularly Gen Z men) would be as liberal as the Millennials that came of age under Obama, and that the rising share of college-educated voters would offset any other problems. "

Democrats don't see voters as human beings, only as components of identity groups. You're Black, so you're going to vote for Democrats based on criminal justice reform and de-policing. You're Hispanic, so you must want open borders and therefore would never vote for Trump. You're Asian, therefore you're a victim of white supremacy and have to vote Democratic.

That leads to some odd beliefs: that Black Americans don't want criminals off the streets where they live, that Hispanics don't want a secure border and legal regulation of immigration, that those Asians whose kids' college admission scores are derated in the name of anti-discrimination are happy to be seen as "functionally white." Maybe what the Democratic Party needs is a "Real Humans" campaign to see voters as whole individual persons and not NPCs in their party's MMRPG.

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Samuel Marchand's avatar

Great analysis! It's crucial however to also be aware that the "educated elite" by definition is not really just one elite (some sub groups are mostly republican, regional, Great analysis! It's impotant to remember however that the "educated elite" is not really just one group. There are really multiple differant US elites some of whom may seldom speak or have much to do with each other. Indeed, not all functional US elites are even highly educated with any consistancy and many are conservative leaning. Nor are all all highly educated people elite in any sense of the word (other then educational atainment itself that is), not even socially or culturally. Far from it in fact.

What is really meant by the term "educated elite", or "bicoastal elite" "urban professional elite" is actually a very specific cultural as well as soceoeconocic phenominon of broadly upscale mainly Democrats clustered tightly in and around major super star cities and global city regions (including those in red or purple states, such as Dallas, Atlanta etc,) and in smaller concentrations within the urban cores of other substancial economocally vibrant cities, resort towns etc. And yes, along the US west coast and northeast coradores much more broadly. They form both a subculture and a social class that is indeed cast like today, but one that now excludes even may highly educated and wealthy indeviduals.

This broad elite group includes not only true elites (most but not all with university degrees and almost all with at least some college education) and professional housholds, but also younger or retired college educated peple even if not currently established in proffessional careers and college students. Democrats are really seen by most Republicans and many others as devided between a broad "educated elite" class/cast, and a bigger group of overly loyal and conformist followers of the former who look up to them from the outside.

This latter highly diverse group is seen as being mostly people of color but also includes many middle and even working class whites mostly in major urban and suburban areas, who look in from the outside to this broad social elite as a referance group.

The latter group used to be. While I, a working class college dropout white person abandoned by my educated elite father when I was 7 and raised by my college dropout and increasingly disabled artist mom, often felt left out or looked down apon, I still had a (I now realize unrealistic) idea that I would be able to move up in part bassed on inherited social connections to this elite, even while knowing I would still need to work hard. I remember well growing up, our transition into poverty and my moms (eventually my own) painful process of estrangement from upwardly mobile former friends and out of urban society more broadly, and painfully back (for my mom that is, it was new to me) into the mostly working class and often abusive world of my moms small town/suburban family background... having my moms ex husband (not my father) still around to help raise me did help make things a lot better then likely would have been the case otherwise.

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tobe berkovitz's avatar

Time to relaunch the giant Baby Trump Diaper balloon. A sure fire vote generator.

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Michael Kupperburg's avatar

The Democrat elite, seem to be like the French aristocrats, in 1791. With so much on the their table, it never occurred to them, to think of those who had less. They never did get back what they had, though for those who survived AND chose the right side, they did very well.

The question remains, what will it take to get the Democrats to wake up and smell the coffee.

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