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KDBD's avatar

I have kept hearing from Dems that this issue did not take them down but I don’t think they really understand what happened. Because their position on this issue is so looney tune, so irrational and so against one of their core beliefs of being pro women it undermined everything else that they said. How could anyone believe we had to get to zero carbon in a few years or disaster would ensue when they couldn’t define what a woman was. How could anyone believe them that democracy was on the line. How could anyone believe them about anything. That is why Trumps ad of “Harris is for they/them and Trump was for you” was so effective

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On January 23, Ruy Texeira, predicted right here that the Democrats would die on this hill. And so they are. It is really time for people like you and others here to reconsider your allegiance to a party that refuses to recognize your interests. When faced with a similar problem, Republicans revolted-first with the Tea Party and when that was suppressed with MAGA which amounted to a hostile takeover. While that struggle goes on, MAGA appears to be winning.

So what are Democrats like you supposed to do. The hostile takeover advocated here does not seem to be working. There is no Democratic Trump to lead and galvanize people. (Actually the Democratic Trump was Trump himself until the crazies drove him out.) Some new figure must be discovered. Such a takeover will be harder for Democrats. Trump was able to exploit the divide between the donor class and the base. In the case of the Democrats, the big pieces of the base are the problem. The teachers unions, the faculty lounge and their affiliated students, and liberal suburban white women consumed with guilt come to mind. While the donor class seems to be backing down somewhat, there are enough of them left to fund the leftist elements of the base. I don't see how Democrats can win without those pieces of the base.

Assuming the above problem can't be solved, what remains is some form of exit. The Republicans might be too big a leap though part of the coalition, especially men, has already taken that route. If Democrats keep dying on those hills that Ruy identified and MAGA doesn't succumb to a counterrevolution, expect that to continue. There is also the third party option. That guarantees electoral disaster in the short run but if you are right about where normal Democrats are long-term success is in the future. In the meantime, some sort of populist fusion is a possibility. Either the mainstream or the Left has enough in common with MAGA ( though not the GOPe) to find issue by issue common cause. Don't be the faction left behind.

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