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Bob Eno's avatar

I'd like to pick up on one of the themes in this post's list: the counterproductivity of invoking shame in interactions with diehard MAGA voters, and extend it to the ways of interacting with members of the extreme progressive Left as well.

There's a ton of research showing that membership in delimited social and political groups can provide individuals with senses of identity, belonging, and self-worth that are for them critical needs, arising from a variety of emotional or social backgrounds. People who become deeply involved with well demarcated groups very often either find deep personal rewards in commitment to the group identity or reinforce the rewards of deep commitment to other individuals who are fully invested in the goals of the group. To the degree that the draw of group membership and identity is strong, the specific content of the group ideology is unimportant.

"Normie" politics -- the broad traditional center in the US, including both "liberals" and "conservatives" -- doesn't provide membership and identity in the same way. It's like comparing humans who are water-drinkers (everyone) to humans who drink only filtered water from specific mountain springs; there's no membership component to the first. But from the standpoint of the filtered water drinkers, "tap-water" drinkers appear to belong to a demarcated group that can be a threat to their own.

When people whose views and information sources are located in the broad center of the US political spectrum think they can persuade neighbors who have committed to some version of the extreme, either through simple argument or through verbal attacks, they generally fail to realize they are threatening to destroy the rewards of clear personal identity, social membership, personal family and support networks, as well as cognitive certainty. *None* of us, when caught up in a socialized belief-network, will open our minds and emotions to that sort of approach.

To put it more simply: there is no way to extricate someone from a cult other than to leave the door open for them to exit and wait for internal dynamics of the cult to create a need for them to find a way out. Extreme political faction membership isn’t quite a cult, but it has cult-like features that make this dynamic relevant. Interacting and disagreeing with members of both the extreme Right and Left with the affect of low-stakes friendliness that reflects continued recognition of their non-political normality and humanity will always have greater long-term payoff than challenging them with outrage, anger, or scolding, even when those reactions are completely normal and justifiable. (Of course, there may be action contexts where conflicts threaten safety and this sort of model simply doesn’t apply.)

The most difficult problem I see for the American middle, Left and Right (I’m on the Left), is forming a common approach that will help us reintegrate fellow citizens who have crossed a line towards an extreme, because the Center – political tap-water drinkers – is not a faction in the same sense of having a demarcated ideology and social membership network. Not only doesn't it provide the same type of rewards, but it's also really hard to organize the center to adopt common strategies. But if the doors are left open, the Center actually provides plenty of room for those now on the edges to leave their demarcated networks and represent the basic Left or Right political orientations (often family based) they are comfortable with, without wearing the absolutist blinders that fringe-group membership generally requires.

Ronda Ross's avatar

If Dems truly wish to understand Trump voters, perhaps they should consider the hubris required to assume Trump voters feel shame for their political positions and reminding them of their morally indefensible beliefs, will simply make matters worse.

Like most Reps or Dems, I found the deaths of the Minnesota protesters a tragedy. I also found them, like nearly every other sort of death associated with the Open Border, all the more enraging because both were easily and entirely preventable.

Better trained ICE agents would have likely saved the Protester's lives. Likewise, had the Protesters been Red State residents, both would likely both be alive today. Local LEOs present at prior protests, would have arrested both prior to their lethal interactions. Moreover, had Dems never dissolved the border, both Protesters would still be alive.

I understand entirely why Dems are so incensed, so am I. What I do not understand is why so many Dems are not equally enraged for the legions of crime victims that either perished or forever had their lives altered, as a result of Biden's Open Border.

Their deaths, due to crime or vehicles, are also equally tragic, and also entirely preventable. I do not understand how anyone can shrug off preventable child sexual assault, rape or murder by unvetted Biden migrants. I especially do not understand Mothers, whose concern always seems to prioritize the well being of adults who chose to illegally relocate to the US, over child crime victims, whose only sin is often being poor and minority, in a US that lacked borders for 4 years.

The 5 year old boy whose father abandoned him when fleeing ICE, was, undoubtedly, traumatized by days in a detention center with his Dad. So too was the CA 5 year old who missed Kindergarten to spend a year relearning to walk, talk and eat, after an illegally residing semi driver, lacking the ability to read English road signs, hit her family minivan on a So Cal freeway.

Why does the trauma of 5 year old Minnesota migrant count, but not the misery of a 5 year old Golden Stater, that will never fully recover from her injuries? Some of us find the nearly entire lack of concern for the latter and her ilk, shameful.

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