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John Webster's avatar

If the political environment in November, 2028 is exactly like it is right now then Vance would beat AOC in a two party race. America is not yet ready for full-blown socialism. But much will occur between now and November, 2028 to change the political environment; if things get bad enough even AOC could win.

A third party candidate (TPC) - who is a genuine moderate - might be a strong candidate in 2028. That genuine moderate would have to come from the Democratic party, someone who can't stomach a hard Left turn like AOC would be. The key voting bloc would be Independents, whom a recent opinion survey found to be 45% of voters, with 27% each for Democrats and Republicans. To win in the electoral college, that TPC would have to win 70%-80% of those Independents, then peel off enough votes from moderates in both major parties to win 270+ electoral votes. A very tall order, not likely. And who is the moderate Democrat with the stature to mount a competitive campaign?

Larry Schweikart's avatar

John, probably. I have said for a year that we are seeing the end, the extermination, of the Democrat Party. People today with no historical perspective don't realize this happened all the time in history: Federalists, Liberty, Know-Nothing, Whig, Populist, Progressive, and most recently, Reform. Most people don't think it can happen because they haven't witnessed it happen, but the Ds are almost the inverse Whigs, who had a solid-down ticket, but couldn't stand up for the main issue of the day, slavery. Modern Ds have all sorts of issues, but they are all on the wrong side of all the main issues of the day, trans infiltration of schools, open borders, pro-Uke but anti-Israel, and most of all, anti-male. I've described these five civil wars, and I don't think Ds have moved the ball one inch in the right direction of any.

Therefore, in fact, I do believe that after a significant wipeout by Vance of whomever is nominated (I stand by 320-340 EVs at this time, and 2.5% of the pop vote---but could be much larger if, as I suspect, Ds with throw caution to the wind and nominate AOC or Mamdani---the Ds will have a final fracture in 2029, with a rump of the most radical becoming a new Socialist Party. I have no idea what happens to the other, slightly larger, D majority.

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